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10 August 2012 @ 04:33 pm
Faction icons XXXIII  
Now that fkficfest is over, I feel free to post more faction icons without distracting anyone—myself included!

In fact, there are very few icons that I haven't at least started, though some do need a bit of tweaking. I think all the character-based factions have their icons now—well, unless someone comes up with the perfect name for an affiliation for a minor character as yet unbefactioned. On the other hand, there are still a number of couple factions whose icons have been made but not yet posted. I also have icons for a number of "miscellaneous assorted" factions.

For instance, among these five are a couple that are very assorted indeed.

(Immortal) Seducers:

On 1 April 1996, in the earliest FORKNI-L digest archived on Knightwind's Nook, Sandra Gray suggested a couple of names for a faction for LaCroix and Janette. No one took up "the Flames"; but "the Seducers" was immediately seconded. Nominally, I suppose the Seducers' mandate could be their relationship in all its aspects; but, like most early couple factions, it pretty well always had a romantic bent, though not necessarily explicit.

I was immediately tempted by the idea of a flaming heart, and found this one on the net. It was then a question of locating two suitable screen captures—more easily said than done, I might add. And, if you suggest that I could have found a good one of both together, then I can only say that you've never looked! It's surprising how seldom the two of them are in the same shot.

In some faction lists, "Immortal" is prefixed to the name, so I made the icon in two variants.


Throughout fandom generally, the term "lurker" refers to fans who do not participate actively by posting, writing, vidding, drawing, or acting as moderators, archivists, and the like. They basically just join a list or community, and then read the posts and stories written by other people. However, back in the late 90s, there were a couple of fans (not just of Forever Knight) who took a madcap, parodic approach to fandom, yet—tongue in cheek?—called themselves "the Lurkers". Indeed, they participated in at least one Forever Knight War under that name; and they hence are counted as a faction.

This grinning face is their symbol. Basically, I just turned it into an icon.

Early Birds:

The Forever Knight Early Birds are one of those courtesy factions that are actually groups connected with lists or e-groups but not involved in the Wars. They were a group of fans whose early schedules meant that it was difficult for them to participate in the regular chat room, which met in the late evening. They therefore held a Yahoo! Chatroom an hour or so earlier. (You can read more about them here if you're curious.)

The name is more than merely potentially confusing: at least one prospective member thought that "Early Birds" meant that the chat room itself was in the morning, rather than that the members got up at crack of dawn. At any rate, it was conceptually inspirational: I immediately thought of the early bird who got the worm; and, indeed, I visualized this as a robin.

I thought I'd have difficulty finding a suitable picture. In fact, not only are birds with worms exceedingly googleable, but a high proportion of them are, indeed, robins! This was trimmed from someone's photograph, with a snip taken from a sunrise photo.


Described once as a "small wicked faction", the Nothers saw Natalie as a promising character for crossover fiction. Most Forever Knight fans who are inspired to write adult crossover fic immediately gravitate to LaCroix, and slash him with...well, Methos, mostly...but characters from quite a variety of sources. Nothers, on the other hand, felt that Natalie would go very nicely in adult hetfic, partnered with guys from other television series.

For this icon, I turned to FORKNI-L for help, and got it from Liz the Lucky, who is a lone, last Nother. She explained the ethos of the faction, and gave me a few names. The guys in the posters on the walls are therefore both "Others" who genuinely appeared in Nother-fic: Joe Dawson from Highlander, and Chance Harper from Strange Luck.

That is Natalie's hair on the left. She holds a remote in her hand as she watches TV, and, I suspect, is engaged in channel surfing in search of a suitable Other. I was careful to pick an older television (not radically unlike the one I still own) rather than one of those modern high-definition, slim, giant-screen, hang-on-the-wall models. Superimposed on the "snow" on the screen is a man's silhouette with a little red heart on it, symbolizing the perfect non-FK Other who will win her love.

Archivist's Assistants:

Although there are nigh-on innumerable factions for canonical characters, there is only one character from fan fiction that became so popular, at least for a time, that people decided that they wanted to create an affiliation for him. Dorian the Archivist appeared in some of Susan Garrett's stories back in the '90s: archivist for the vampire community, he required their histories from other vampires, and would go to extreme lengths to ensure that the story they told was complete and accurate.

I have no idea what the Archivist's assistants took as their duties; but, as archiving involves record-keeping, I decided to design the icon around writing. The main graphic is therefore a pad of paper—with faint lines, if you look carefully. The logo (in a lovely copperplate) fits tidily across the lines. The pad lies on an oak background, intended to represent a table or desk, or similar flat surface; and on the pad lies a fountain pen. Specifically, it's a Parker 51 pen, chosen since that's the sort my late father owned.
Laurie of the Isles: Squirrel1_mad_squirrel on August 11th, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
Great job!
greerwatson: charioteergreerwatson on August 11th, 2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
Azar: Once Upon a Time - Reginaazarsuerte on August 16th, 2012 04:46 am (UTC)
Oh, wow. This brings back memories! I was a Nother and a Seducer back in the day. (And a Knight of the Cross, and probably a few others too that I, um, don't remember now...) In fact, I was one of the founding members of the Nothers--I found this post through Liz. :-)

I've been looking through your other posts too--very cool designs! Man, why don't fandoms today have FUN with their differences the way we did in FK fandom??

greerwatson: charioteergreerwatson on August 16th, 2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
Man, why don't fandoms today have FUN with their differences the way we did in FK fandom??

I have no idea. (I'm really only in one other main fandom; and we have fun, but tend to ignore differences.) As for the past tense: there's supposed to be another war this year, did Liz tell you? I hope so, certainly.

By the way, are you the Azar who was involved in the Blue Plate Diner? I came across it when I was saving GeoCities sites back in 2009. Not that it could be part of our own Forever Knight Website Archive, of course. Fortunately, it got saved by Reocities.
Azar: The Cutting Edgeazarsuerte on August 19th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
Re: The Blue Plate Diner. Yeah, that's me. :-) I actually transferred the site to my own web domain (and upgraded it while I was at it), I just didn't get it done in time to provide a link from the old site before it went down. It's here now:


There's a few parts of the site I haven't yet finished upgrading (and a couple more sections I would like to add) but most of it's up. :-)

What's Reocities? The only people who asked me about preserving the site were the folks at AO3 about the fanfic (which I turned down because I felt it wasn't my place to authorize them to archive other people's fanfic).
greerwatson: charioteergreerwatson on August 19th, 2012 11:28 pm (UTC)
I've just updated the Fanlore article with the new URL.

I get that you feel sensitive about other people's fanfic, the more so since AO3 was only going to preserve stories, not the website as a whole. (At least that's my understanding of the way their Open Doors project works.) To shift the entire website to a different server is one thing: from the perspective of the stories—in so far as the notion of stories having a POV isn't twee beyond belief—they haven't moved at all relative to the website, since they're still accessed off the same index page. They're still in situ. Taking them "out of situ" is another matter.

We came up against this ethical problem when we did our own small-scale GeoCities rescue for Forever Knight websites; and our solution was to shift the whole site: every page, every graphic, every story (and that includes things that didn't have any connection with Forever Knight itself). If you are curious, the Forever Knight Website Archive is here. To ensure that people were in line with what we were doing, we reported everything to the FORKNI-L list. Also, we tried to e-mail all the people whose websites had been on GeoCities. Everyone we were able to get in touch with was happy with our saving their site.

We did try to contact you, too, since you had a crossover story. Um. Your e-mail address on the site didn't work. We saved the art anyway. It's here. (For the story, we put in a link to Mel's site.) I hope you don't mind. We thought the art was just too pretty to see go into oblivion. Of course, we didn't know you'd moved the site.

As for Reocities, GeoCities.ws, and Oocities (and any others), these were all last-ditch attempts by various civic-minded computer types to rescue as much of GeoCities as they could possibly manage. They literally dragged out all the data they could locate, with no assistance whatsoever from Yahoo! Basically, these people just couldn't bear to see it all be destroyed on a whim. Some of the material they saved has since been put back up on the web. Unlike AO3, they saved whole websites. The Reocities copy is here: http://www.reocities.com/blueplatediner/ I don't know how much they saved. (It's possible that one of the others also saved the site; but, if so, it's not among the sites they restored to the web.)

I see you've put new art on the site. I must say, when I saved it myself (though not to upload, since it's not a Forever Knight site), I particularly liked the inside/outside views of the diner menu. I was especially taken with the HTML for the inside view. That the graphic for the outside of the menu lay at the bottom of all the other things, out of site (exactly as, in real life, the outside of the menu would be out of site behind what you were reading), was just cute beyond words.

Edited at 2012-08-19 11:39 pm (UTC)
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